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Annette Rothermel's avatar

It’s great to hear from the experts that actually done the experiment to address this question.

Gregory Gilbert's avatar

I saw what was likely COVID enter the U.S. in late December 2019 at my hospital in Southern California. I also saw Wuhan’s healthcare system appear overwhelmed by mid-January.

The HSM story is not believable; the virus was likely already well seeded in December. COVID does not behave in a way that leaves clear, “made-for-TV” origin trails. It spreads too quickly and includes too many mild cases.

The HSM was an obvious ruse that would have been simple to execute. It would only require control over lab sampling, which they had, and only a few would know.

Diversions have historical precedent with bio-accidents.

MARK CAMENZIND's avatar

Highly recommend everyone still consider avoiding crowds, masking in public with N95. Our family of 3 used to get 2 respiratory illnesses per year typically < 2020 when working onsite, but since 2020 and Covid, have MERV 16 filter, N95 mask and ZERO Covid, other respiratory illnesses for 3 of us in 6 years

MARK CAMENZIND's avatar

If USA/China ever did cause Covid, USA/China would be liable for trillions in losses around the world. I would have expected if this was caused by USA/China, would have thought they would actively hide this, not promote the idea

Janet S's avatar

Don't denigrate D.Phil.'s - they are the same as Ph.D.'s - Doctors of Philosophy. Plenty of British scientsists have them!

Just the Facts's avatar

It’s the Ph.D. Pheasant Phuckers we have to watch out for…. Too high a Ph

KB's  FROM THE PETRI DISH's avatar

Interesting, I made note of this in Petri Dish gets Green Agar.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(26)00171-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867426001716%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

Highlights

Viral adaptation is not a necessary precursor to outbreaks of novel zoonotic viruses

Selection signatures on SARS-CoV-2 were unchanged until its emergence in humans

Laboratory and gain-of-function passage produce distinct evolutionary signatures

1977 influenza virus reemergence preceded by evolution consistent with laboratory passage

onisillos's avatar

Predictably his opening was about how he and his compatriots struggled to be heard…

Deanne Wilson's avatar

Thank you all so much for continuing to offer straightforward science communication!

Tom Gorman's avatar

Pure garbage! Who reads this trash? UNSUBSCRIBE

Dr. Angela Rasmussen's avatar

Can’t win em all